THE PLAYERS

“Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws.” -Plato (c. 427 BC – c. 347 BC)

***There are many more “players” involved in this case, these are the early players, several more came in our lives over the 15 years of Evan’s life–All of them seem to be defending one thing, money & power, not one helped with Evan’s health.

Most of these following people tried to bring charges against Evan’s father. They wanted him to go away for their crimes, nobody likes a pro-active parent going against a doctors medical wishes and stealth malpractice. They said he was dangerous because he was very angry about what they did to Evan, they were right about one thing…………………..

It is interesting how Evan’s father is a threat after what he discovered, what they had done, yet if you now understand what Kaiser has done to this baby and family, where is their judgment ? and who is the threat ?

Evan’s father has done nothing to anyone except expose these true to life monsters. Which crime is worse, the exposure or the attempted murder, and How Many Have these Monsters Murdered? I would bet just with the sheer number of members and medicare patients, this practice has occurred thousand times. Where is their judge? Do they not get one? They are protected by big money & Government. It is sad but true, hard to believe, but true. Killing a child is okay as long as no one hears about it.

After these events and our awareness became facts, the harassment started ordered by Kaiser, the private detectives in front of our home and business, the calls and visits by Kaiser to police stating Evan’s father was a threat, their notice to “other” medical facilities about the “possible threat” Evan’s father posed and the multiple attempts of restraining orders to silence the story. What did the police do ? Nothing, there was no threat, only Kaiser defending their stealth euthanizing and now someone who has the proof ! Certainly IF there was a threat, I would be in jail. They used their OWN employees as witness against me in court documents to establish I am a danger. I have no arrest record of any kind, yet now I am a very potential murderer. Of course this is all hyperbole created by Kaiser lawyers, but it is immoral also in the sense, now you have lawyers protecting real murderers.

Now, the fact that 3 Kaiser people flew down from San Francisco to Orange County (this is in court records) to visit the police station in my city and “Try” to file a complaint, is enough to tell you, they were worried about something. The police told them “there was no threat”. Matter of fact, the police told Kaiser that “the Police do not Harass the Citizens they protect”,  This is also a very ignorant way achieve due process.

They in fact were seeking some type of harassment from the authorities and the last thing they want is a trial or jury since all this would come out in open court, I would see to that and that is what I was seeking in my few letters to them. They had already broke the law by telling “other” hospitals that I was a threat and this could also hurt Evan’s ability to seek medical care. They actually thought, “who they are” could give them special privileges over what you & I get from law enforcement.

I thought that any doctor would be very concerned about an infant’s life, I was forced to trust them and assumed they were looking out for baby Evan, yet they never explained the condition or the future except for “He had no future”. Later I discovered the other children with the same disease and they were all over the place as far as outcome with several running , jumping, laughing even till today. These kids were either normal or various autistic levels, with few exceptions of severe. By this time Evan was destroyed and Kaiser went on the offense. The stress we endured is not within explanation and I cannot explain what we had to watch while this was going on for months. The time that they abused him was their time, not Evan’s, but we were told he was dying. Now I know, they were putting him down like an animal, THEY HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, how many times, we may never know. How much science is lost ? We will never know, this is bottom line money to Kaiser, my child is a medical number to them, not a cherished baby, I have the proof right here. The fact is, Kaiser does not care about our baby or what incredible pain & desperation they put us through, they expected death like the babies before Evan and it would all just disappear like the babies before and after Evan, even right now as you read this.

It amazes me that people choose to protect this filth, the defense attorneys, they have first hand accounts of these crimes, yet it is only money, money over a baby’s abuse/death, that is beyond anything horrible.

They never offered an explanation or a treaty. The fact that their doctors were forbidden to talk and were removed from Kaiser permanently is telling enough. They spent tens of thousands to silence me and all for not. They needed to “print” me as dangerous to distract from what they have done and do, who’s dangerous in this story?. I am sure Kaiser replaced these doctors with the same “ethics” that these “tired” doctors have, they have to. Today 2020, Kaiser will open their Own medical school, they will import doctors, get them the required licenses from Kaiser’s own medical board, and own them for their entire lives.

The following people are a part of this destruction. It is called Group Dynamics ; I call it sheep running to slaughter, & here are your sheepherders. There wasn’t an honest reaction from any of them which means they stick together before they help -it is that simple. They were told to lie by Kaiser lawyers because they afraid for their job, funny though, nearly every medical hack involved in this case are not with Kaiser today.

Kaiser has changed the medical statistics by killing off “potentially” expensive patients,

which in turn starts a chain-reaction, less patients, less research, less money, less scientists. It works for them, but only them, an HMO should not exist at all for this reason alone, and the laws to protect them are accepted also by our lawmakers (everyone assumes doctors are doing the RIGHT THING-SOME ARE NOT), until you are harmed, then it becomes very unfair, but you took it for granted that YOUR healthcare providers would take care of you before themselves, They took an Oath, but this is not in their interest, nor is an oath a legal document. When you have doctors that are not researchers, but more like accountants in Kaiser’s sense, they are watching their “bottom line”, expenditures, so they can receive bonuses through-out the year ! This is very true, and in the “Links” tab.

Either we choose to move forward with our ability to learn, or choose cowardice which is the easiest and most profitable. Cowards are a dime a dozen as I have shown you here, but real gifted/honest people are hard to come by and if we do not allow “our gifted” to continue down this road, we are done.

If our laws and those who enforce the law are tied by politics and monitory favor, and they are, what do we do?

Amsterdam, why a lab Amsterdam ? “We don’t do that in the USA”. We have the minds, but we don’t have the interest or the funds. “They” get the well-deserved recognition while we continue to fall behind.

I have great respect for those at the Amsterdam lab, you already read how Kaiser’s doctors disrespected Amsterdam, their so-called colleagues.

What are ethics?  “Conforming to accepted professional standards of conduct”, “moral principles, disciplined practices”,”moral duty”. We were deceived, lied to and the wrong drugs were to end his life… No follow up’s or concern for this poor little baby and our family. Broome expected Brumley to do his job and conform to Kaiser’s “ethics” Brumley just threw-out everything WE expect from our healthcare providers, but HIS peers (at Kaiser) expect him to conform. It became a sequel to an already unbearable nightmare – this is too much for a parent to handle, now I have to get others to see it, this is now a lifelong goal, or as kaiser’s lawyers said about Evan’s father, “he is obsessed with this !”

“Yes I am!”, and I will be until I reach justice and every Peer & Neighbor of each doctor, and public official and agency that allows this to happen to innocent babies and families is known, it’s a long list of cowardly “people”.

It’s California after all, corruption at it’s finest.

I had found that Kaiser has their own set of rules and their own standard of care protected by a very unfair arbitration clause, and the California state medical board. It truly is a very low standard of health care supported by more state hacks.

This is why Kaiser has sub standard doctors. Let’s face the facts. If you are an incredible doctor, you won’t be writing scripts for Kaiser and you would know the difference between a hospital and a 2nd world mill.

Kaiser also has produced a health wise book that was distributed to it’s members so you can diagnose your own health problems at home, “don’t come in, help yourself, and above all PAY YOUR MONTHLIES” and if you make a mistake, it is YOUR fault.

Currently (2014) 75% of Americans are living with and dying from more than one chronic condition or multiple chronic conditions (MCC) and using over 66% of the US healthcare resources. Easily over 90% of these patients are not putting back what they are currently taking out, but I think they deserve this care, even though now they will be denied the full care they require. The science is there, but the funding is now diminished with health care reform. Who is one of the big player’s ?… Yes !! You guessed it. Most of these patients will be grossly over medicated, “Take these pills, you will be fine”.

The multiple medications has become one of the “MCC’s” !

We have become uninformed and lazy, we protest without cause and organization, we disagree without solution, Now we kill our own for profit. You see, the medicine has become the poison. I personally have lost any faith & patriotism to any State or Federal agency and I would help anyone that feels the same.

Something you must understand; it was their intention to kill Evan, it was their intention to keep the parents “in the dark” as they have so many times before. It was also their intention to start hospice as early as possible so the parents do not get wise, let the baby die before this was all discovered. This IS their way “in their minds” “mercy killing”, before it possibly gets out of control, and doing this horrible action, they have no idea how much money they save by killing, they only know the expense stops with hospice, it is preventative measure not anything more and it is at the expense of a helpless baby, the family, and the science for the next child.

There is a criminal culture at Kaiser and it has become “everyday business as usual”.

One thing we can be sure of, a liar hates to be told the truth, a thief hates to be robbed and a murderer is afraid of death, this is why Kaiser pays for political/legal affiliations and why Dr’s Broome & Mehren stated Evan will die and brought in Brumley the hospice doctor. They sign their names and turned their backs.

At least when a common criminal points and shoots, you know it’s coming

This is also what we have fought & died for all these decades, to protect ourselves & others from this

This will never end for me and people like me have been created by people at kaiser. Until the evil stops, we must continue to fight and inform, I will do this for you, yours and mine.

I now introduce you to…………………….. THE PLAYERS

Nurse Gretal Whisnant living in Garden Grove Cal. member of KP’s “SS”. This “nurse”could careless about an infant, her concern was her job. If the father was not present, she would encourage Evan’s mother to start using the drugs even after we weaned Evan off & proved Kaiser wrong (this is in the hospice records) Stated father was Very dangerous in court records & hospice, yet she spent 19 months in Evan’s hospice. Begs to question, IF I was so dangerous, why did she not do something or remove herself in 19 months ? She spoke up 5 years later, only because lawyers told her to. This shows you, they will go to great lengths to get what they want. This is a typical team player and very dangerous in a medical setting. Lack of judgement in all situations, that is apparent. A very illiterate person.

Joanna Novac Kaiser Social Worker-Irvine Ca. not pictured

This is the hospice shrink.

Not a lot to say here, except “get your own shrink” if confronted with a horrible life event. My information ended up in Kaiser’s law office, so your feelings can be used against you even if it is another person’s view.

Her job was to help us through losing our son, her work ended up at Kaiser’s law firm to apply restraining orders to Evan’s father. They took well deserved anger and used it for silencing a concerned father. I’m still here speaking………

Another example of medical privacy breeched to meet a false goal

All gobbelly Goop if you ask me, but it can be dangerous especially when you have morons backed up by big money.

Evan’s father, Quote;”Although all of these people would want to see me vanish, I would like to say something to them”………..”Children shouldn’t have to sacrifice so that YOU can have the life you want. You make sacrifices so children can have the life that they deserve” “I did not bring on this conflict, they did & it was not their first time”. in Court comments

Yes, I really have nothing good to say here about ANY of these people, and there is a reason, they are all protecting their job because of one big screw-up. The screw-up is, that Evan is alive. They are in fact protecting each other and will do/say anything to reach this goal. Like a gang of jackals, it is easy to attack a parent NOT in the medical industry, not attached to their distorted way of thinking. I must say, through-out this entire nightmare, I most likely know much more about metabolic conditions than any of these hacks, why? because they were all wrong and we were right.

Just as it would be easy for me to write what I really think of them, I decided to keep it civil. They have already shown that they are not, and I would prefer to just give you facts, but I will be adding some of that very soon so you can compare what I wrote to them and “their” manipulation of my words in legal documents as to attack my character and serve legal action.

“I have had no contact or disputes with any type of law enforcement or person at any time in my life, except with Kaiser during this case, but now I am a possible murderer according to Kaiser. I’m not a murderer or dangerous, and I am smart enough to Hire someone IF I wanted vengence.

My take is, they know what has occurred and what they have done & condoned according to their distorted ethics, now they want protection for their crimes because in their mind they deserve punishment, and this is probably the first time they were indirectly/unconsciously honest with anyone.

Quote;

“It’s unbelievable how these people justify actions of this nature!! These are to be our brightest and most trusted individuals in our society. I hope you get the chance to fully expose them. I want their colleagues, neighbors, and peers to be aware of what they have done. I’m going to share this with my friends who have young children, of which some are challenged”. R.S.

This is Group Dynamics of Kaiser, The FBI, DEA, HSS and state authorities. This is how we are living our lives today, this is how kaiserkillskids.

UPDATE ON D2HGA

In 2012 , one of the Amsterdam researchers Martijn Kranendijk wrote a dissertation on D2 HGA 1 & 2 and L2 HGA and combined D,L 2. The authors of this are Clinical Molecular Geneticists. Perhaps some of the brightest people in our world today. This is very helpful for the science community and any patient confronted with this condition.

It is limited however since the discovery of Type2 as of 2010. The lab has seen 95 D2 patients through their lab up to 2012, but this dissertation has shed MORE scientific light on Evan’s condition.

 Mr. Kranendijk has compiled FULL Genotypes & Phenotypes on – 14 Type 1’s and 19 Type 2’s

Evan’s phenotype was destroyed by drugs and an overdose, so he cannot be in these D2 statistics, but he is in the “count” of Type 2’s.

Kaiser could not/and did not respond to this lab’s survey (we have solid proof of this act) (Dr.BROOME in the crime page) because they would have to report “What Drugs were used” in Evan’s care, this omission would practically land them in jail”, also why Evan’s “labs” were “wiped clean”. This is proven in “doctor to doctor communications”.

What Dr. Kranendijk found was the “Severe” type 2’s suffered from Cardiomyopathies (Heart disease) as a Primary and often fatal disease and that Cardiomyopathy has been found in only Type2 with the exception of one Type1. There is always an exception it seems. A similar cardiomyopathy from the covid vaccine.

However, Mr. Kranendijk has defined the “Wide Spectrum” or Variable outcome” (as described in most clinical reports) of this disease into 4 categories

1. Unaffected – 2. Mild – 3. Moderate – 4. Severe , and all the severe type 2’s have Cardiomyopathy.

EVAN DOES NOT HAVE A CARDIOMYOPATHY

This finding defaults Evan into 2 or 3, but mild or moderate is a far from where Evan is today.

This default finding tells us without ANY (legal) doubt that Kaiser severely damaged Evan, He is blind ,quadrapledric & has an infants mentality (2 month old) at age 15, this will NEVER change for Evan, this is static and NOT a D2HGA characteristic, at least not until Kaiser.

It is however, a characteristic of a child or adult that has been Hypoxic / Cyanotic for 26 minutes with or without a disorder.(the Overdose)

His findings also state that “the disease is primarily progressive, But becomes “Static” or stops, and “improvements have been reported”. This also categorizes this disease as “chronic”, but becomes static, so this disease cannot not be deemed “terminal”, which would not qualify for Hospice under Kaiser’s own guidelines you read in “intro to Hospice”. One very important fact also, Type 2 was not discovered until 2010, Evan was in hospice in 2007, so Kaiser was only looking at a D2 HGA patient (no TYPE) without cardiomyopathy, yet they chose to euthanize Evan.

This IS Kaiser!

The definition of Evan’s disease has been highly complicated by the hospice drugs and overdose.

My findings on improvement are that many of these children’s seizures taper off as they age and Evan is this example. A seizure, if short are not damaging, but recovery can be slow if a child has one or two seizures a day, this slows / delays development, but when the seizures taper away, the child can resume improvement, mature and can learn, at this point the disease is static. This of course depends on if the child is mild or moderate and the level/age at which the disease has become STATIC. The Hospice drugs ruined Evan’s Immune  Metabolic & Mitochondrial pathways, and the drug “cocktail” would cause seizer in ANYONE.

Evan had no chance to achieve a normal outcome or to become static, how could he with all these barbaric drugs at 4 months old?. How could anyone, you or me survive brutality like this.

These D2 children may have; No learning disabilities, Delay, Autistic variations (which is most common) or various levels of retardation, all depending on the individual.

Surely we don’t euthanise Autistic children ?, at least not in normal/civil settings. 30% of Autistic children suffer from seizures and Autism is on the rise.
The ages of all these patients has yet to be determined, but My friend Sherry

with D2HGA is severe with other diseases (including cardiomyopathy)and she is 24 years old and can communicate, so there is no solid standard, one thing we can say is, Evan was never Severe and that is with scientific fact, again Kaiser is wrong, Kaiser destroyed the science and destroyed baby Evan.

**I have other, even better examples, but I cannot disclose this as of now.**

Cardiomopathy (& one case Sanfillipo disease) is more than often, deadly and this relationship has not been explained, but they seem to die early. So we can say that these severe children having Type 2 have a deadly Primary disease, D2HGA is secondary, but is at the root.

This is where kaiser never bothered to read any clinical findings, nor did they want to, they never intended to let the disease follow a normal course, they stole Evan’s life for their own benefit. The question I have is, how do we allow these people to torture an infant ?, they truly did torture him for months.

The Diagnosis of D2 is relatively young at this point(1980), so many alive today have not been tested and are unknown, especially Type 2 (2010).

The amount of D2 HGA in the blood or urine is suspect, “but has no correlation with regard to D2 HGA levels and the Prognosis” as stated by Amsterdam scientist Mr Kranendijk and in many of the clinical reports.

This report has confirmed my research on Evan’s “would be” condition, but has also brought some sadness since most of the children that I have befriended fall into the Mild or Moderate range and by default, so would Evan.

Most kids,(the kids you have seen in the pictures) seem to be doing quite well, but Evan has Zero communicative skills because of the damage Kaiser caused in infancy.

Evan is the “most severe living patient” “with no symptoms or other disease” and “no other disease” is in the kaiser medical records written by all 3 specialists, and he does not fall into any of the D2 statistics, he is the first, but it is not a natural outcome or natural course, so Evan is out of D2HGA science.

If Evan had proper doctors, he would be most likely be walking, talking and laughing, his severity of delay or anything else has been overwhelmed by Hypoxia from drugs and overdose and other brain damage from induced seizures. He was in fact, mild.
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This report also speaks of the relationship with Type 2 and cancer. Cancer has not been a symptom of D2 patients, BUT the enzyme (IDH2) has been found in malignant Gliomas (brain and spine tumors) and acute myloid leukemia (bone marrow) and that is why Evan has had 3 inquiries from Pharmaceutical companies.

These companies are now looking for D2HGA Type 2 patients for a possible vehicle to cancer treatment.

They feel if they can decrease the D2 enzyme in these rare patients, then they may have a new cancer drug.

We are on the fence with this research though, since The State, Feds and DEA refuse to prosecute this

crime and prosecute these criminals or investigate this baby graveyard at Kaiser.

I know it would be the right thing to do, but we can’t get in that “helpful mode” if you will. This is our protest, the way the State & Feds are forcing us to fight back, we need YOUR voice. Your government would rather you live in a 3rd world medical environment because “they” profit & you have no idea, until now.  Kaiser took Evan “off the grid” as far as research is concerned. Even though we found a VERY possible treatment for this condition in a clinical study by Dr. W.L> Nyhan, we had to stop due to hospice damage and it could not be published.

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When this HMO/Kaiser has become so involved in politics, influence and monetary favor, what does the Oath have to do with medical care?. It is obvious that Kaiser deviated from their commitment to this infant. When one the world’s most respected Metabolic Specialists says to me; “This is a Crime”, how as a father can I respond?.

It is hard enough for parents to have a child with any disease, you are helpless !, but for later finding this evidence I have presented to you, how do you deal with it ?. Than you go ask for help where we have been told, “help is always going to be there if needed” and all the authorities brush you off and expect you & I to be ignorant. This is where Kaiser’s money & influence has taken president, and now the government wants to be the overseer !.

How can medical science go forward? How can we trust a doctor in the future not to get comfortable in the fact that NOW the federal government (or in this case, the state of California) will cover their mistakes ?.

We can’t afford mistakes with our infants, our children or ourselves that provide for our children!. We were all once part of this system that perpetuates these rules, but now as you can see here, WE ARE NOT!!. Most doctors are not as I just described, but they sure are at Kaiser. A medical group that has lost their way, a medical group that perpetuates itself, it’s power in numbers & money, not it’s accomplishments. They rely on other people that have helped ME write and discover this crime to make the medical discoveries we all benefit from, they use others just as they used my family’s ignorance to kill an innocent little baby.

Being a Husband to a wonderful wife, now a father to an incredible daughter and adorable Evan, a fighter, a victim of corporate crime and my realization that the heart of many Americans “in charge” are just lazy, in collusion amongst themselves and ruining our country (“in charge” meaning all of the state & federal officials I approached that are supposed to help you & I),

This has affected and drastically changed my feeling of “freedom” that we all think exists.

It has effected every decision I make day to day which before I had never given it a second thought.

Trying to mind my own business is just not possible for this family, I have discovered too much.

Politics and our choices we make for our leaders has deteriorated to an emotional choice rather than an educated one. This once great country is now subject to con men & women that have developed a skill of, even an expectation in the public eye, “say one thing and do nothing”.

Thank You for reading and try to treat others as you want to be treated, you won’t get that from your government. I will be adding more to this site as it matures, more hospice records and genuine court documents that Kaiser and their lawyers produced, authored by Kaiser (so called experts) employees to acquire restraining orders on the father of Evan and emails from Anita Catlin (child advocate/Kaiser employee) and the Calif. medical board – I will not censor any of these documents.

I will also include a PDF of my meeting at the Medical board with more pictures and names of the slime that have helped produce this crime. There is a 45 minute MPEG of Kaiser employees that I “heard” about starring Kaiser’s Hospice. Not sure if it exists but it may be found on Youtube very soon.

Help us spread this story so these people can be held accountable, I will do the Dirty work in due time.

All the people pictured above are these exact “type”, most people have healthy children, so some of these doctors have good reputations by default – here is their REAL story, this is not fiction, it is who they are. There are 80,000 babies born at Kaiser every year

If you think Evan was the first, you don’t understand what you have just read.

He is the first “living” example

I have lived it, proved it and shown you who knows and who does not care.

These people, together are murderers, a group that support each others exclusive knowledge no matter who they hurt. Their distorted ethics presented to you by force and ignorance, protected by money.

“I build up the wall and stand in the gap on behalf of the people”

Wanna talk or comment? visit “CONTACT” or email at kaiserkillskids@cox.net, just remember “KKK”

This photo is here to remind you what we have fought & died to STOP, and shows you what we are capable of

This story shows you we are right back there again, only with “Stealth” Death, Cruelty & Sorrow can be purchased on the backs of the innocent

It has been done before

Unless you think you can escape this electrified double barbed fence, you have nothing to worry

Think about this picture, it exists today, and those who were really there, families, children & infants For my family, the fence is law enforcement and those who have been purchased

The dirty little secrets that we assume are being committed by political and law officials, not only do they exist, but as I have just shown you with absolute documented proof, there are thousands of people committing immoral crimes against us, and these crimes are now just a way to do business, ethical beliefs and speeches are now just spewed out verbally to accommodate the meek / the uninformed / the masses who still actually believe these acts are not happening. California is a big population where this crime has been committed, the standard set for truly “political hacks”, unethical people that will risk anyone’s life for their gain of notoriety, a pat on the back from a fellow scum bag, but when a private citizen takes a political side with these abhorrent “officials” due to a career and job security or monitory “hand-outs”, these private citizens give the politics power and the dirty deed is done, a new unethical and regressive standard is set.

I hear it all the time from educated people, people that say “the world is going nuts!”. They are right, and we have let it.

When I think of the future, my son or my daughter’s future comes to mind. What will their lives be like if this continues? Do not these “officials” think of their children? or are they truly absorbed into their own greed, their own acceptance?. No, they are not concerned and that is a reality many of “us” must confront.

Unfortunately, something devastating has to happen at this point in order to change this state of mind. In the mean time we are at risk in many ways we will only know if confronted with a devastating life event, an event where you will either do what I have done or walk away defeated/assaulted. Your rights are in the hands of the left and you will be only allowed what they want.

My years of work investigating this crime has been devastating for my family and myself, not to forget my son’s “would-be” life & sacrifice, this is not the American dream. I feel the American dream is only fantasy, it only exists for a very lucky few, and even then it is difficult to sustain.

Ignorance has set in, it is everywhere in this country and that is something very hard to cure, and the hardest part of this ignorance is, we can’t move forward without admitting this ignorance exists!.

The powers that be, don’t want to, the power of greed & ignorance.

Maybe we can’t learn from the mistakes of the recent past, maybe we are just greedy & cruel by nature – or like the sub-humans above, they destroy life for GOOD people, the “One Bad Apple” idea.

The Media claims Terrorists, guns or gangs as our enemy, they egregiously censor for an agenda, but with filth like this running around, the enemy is just down the street – this is the true Gang, the Monsters.

I do intend on exposing several authorities that have allowed this to happen, this is one of the more important reasons this site exists at all. The responsible people that have written this story for me must be known to all, exposed for doing absolutely nothing, as a matter of fact nearly all of these people you & I pay to do a job that gives us security have stopped me from seeking justice. I will tell you they have caused such pain & fear in my life that I have no reason to trust any of them with any situation that may arise, this is a very sad state we are in. We have created thousands of jobs that are ineffectual to the point of ludicrously and these jobs are fairly high paying with incredible pensions attached. I will also tell you these people also know that they are ineffectual on purpose just to keep their job security, it’s like an unsung rule throughout their abhorrent lives.